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The Real Terrorists: Our Government

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:39 PM EDT
iran, terrorism, nuclear, politics, north-korea, government, terrorist-attack, nuclear-bomb, ineptness
By Ilyanep
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Before you start reading, you should probably know that I'm saying something entirely different from what you're thinking. However, know that the more I listen to news, the more I'm afraid to leave my house. I can no longer listen to news without getting this complete feeling of dread. And how is that not what terrorists want?

But it's not terrorists that make me afraid. They don't scare me at all &emdash; I'm out of reach of most of the ways they can attack. What scares me is what my government might do in the case of a terrorist attack. And I can all but assure you that they will almost definitely do the wrong thing.

Before I begin, I want to tell any NSA officer reading this that I don't mean to start anything against the government. The government is not a terrorist, they would not kill millions of their own people in vein, and day-to-day they tend to protect me well enough. But their attitude toward events scares me. Don't even bother sticking the "don't put beans up your nose" rule in my face.

Fear-Mongering

Our government stirs up fear in us at any point that they can. World War III, they say. At any moment possible.

Trust me, you'll know when World War III is upon us.

Enter the American Jew

Today, public opinion is usually tilted towards support of Israel, its actions, and its people. But who knows what will happen in ten years?

What would happen if a president came to power that would break down the Constitution and the series of Check and Balances? We're already seeing the beginning of it today. And what would happen if during such a time, public opinion tilted against Israel and the Jewish people? Would we see numerous things like the recent Seattle shooting? Or would they be worse? Maybe even KKK-ish.

You may think that the American people are too good to let something like this happen. The Germans probably thought the same prior to the Holocaust.

Enter Chicago

Chicago's doing pretty well, right?

Imagine that tomorrow, the terrorists [the ones we are fighting against now] maneuver themselves into a position where they can attack a major target in the middle of Chicago. Let's say it's the Sears Tower. What would happen? What should happen?

In my opinion, the government should seek out all of the people involved in this event, and find who sponsored them right away. Then we use a tactical nuke on whatever country sponsored these terrorists. Clean and simple. We show them that we are not a paper tiger and we will not stand it when another faction spits in their face.

What would happen? The government would spend more time making sure that American Muslims are protected. They would make a couple of inspiring speeches and we might even have some short military fling somewhere. And that'll be all. Kind of like when Putin said he would get the terrorists that captured the Russian soldiers, kind of like Clinton when he said he would do something.

A North Korean or Iranian Problem?

Israel seems to have knocked these out of everyone's minds. But they're definitely not solved.

At any point, Iran or North Korea could come up with a nuclear warhead and missile that is capable of reaching any point in the United States. What would happen if tomorrow one of them launched one to a major city in the United States.

I can't even speculate on what our government would do. But it seems to me like it wouldn't accomplish much with competency. They would utterly fail at restoring calm and preventing looting. They would utterly fail at responding within the scope of the World community.

There is no reason for our government to grow closer to anarchy due to its disregard for the Constitution (or at least it starting to lean that way). There is no reason for our government to grow closer to Totalitarianism because it is not doing anywhere near enough to protect us. The golden center always works out the best for the people.

However, it needs to act with a lot more common sense, stop worrying about Political Correctness, and stop trying to cover their own asses.

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MartinEZ

You cant blame the government for the cowardice of its people. After 9/11 there was no reason to be afraid. It was a tragedy yes, and reaction was nessecary. The people allowed the government to extend their arm into each and everyones personal freedoms because they are cowards. Afraid for their lives they looked to the man to save them, and gave, the man, powers he shouldn't have.

Its all about fear, and what it does to the mindset of the people in fear, hence the word TERROR.

When another attack happens on American soil the government will just be granted more power because the American people will run into their caves with their tails between their legs and pray their government does something, allowing them to do anything to "protect us". Cowardice will be the downfall of our democracy.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:02 PM EDT
Ilyanep

American people will run into their caves with their tails between their legs and pray their government does something

I would gladly run with my tail in between my legs into my little cave if I knew my government would do something. But they won't.

And don't kid yourself; the other party wouldn't do anything different.

I look to my future (depending on your age I'm probably the same generation as your kids), or that of my kids, and see one in which they have no rights, or even worse are dead because of a nation-wide either 1) Terrorist attack or 2) riot.

I won't do this because, as you said, the situation will get worse if I do, but every day I hear the news, I just want to run away and wait for it to come already.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:01 PM EDT
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Ilyanep

I don't want anyone to think that I've suddenly 180'd on my beliefs. I've just realized that the Republican party has slid over to where the Democratic party should be. That was a couple of years ago. Now our entire government is way too far to the left.

If a person who would actually get the job done came to government, I could rest safe again.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:03 PM EDT
MartinEZ

Get the job done? And what do you mean other party? I wasn't trying to criticize one party or the other. Its niether sides "fault". If the American people don't stand up to terror through government terror wins. The problem arises when we expect government to handle it on their own. They won't. They will just further their political agenda's using the fear these attacks create.

When terrorists or countries attack the United States, for example, the people put way to much faith in their government. Yes, we should have faith in our government, but when they begin to tear down what we stand for in the name of "security", I lose faith in them.

This is not a partisan issue, either "side" would do the same thing. When you allow business to influence governement and essentialy pick wars for the government to fight, democracy dies. This is allowed by the American people when they are in a state of fear, weather its legitiment fear, or mongered fear, the end result is a shift of power from the fearful to the greedy, or the people that have nothing to fear beucase they wont be fighting the war they start. They will just make money, or gain power from it.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:13 AM EDT
Ilyanep

I agree with you. I wish that I could count on my government to handle this, however.

I could stand for losing a little bit for a really short time in the name of keeping me alive [hell, it happened during WWII], but I look at most people's attitudes towards this and I can't help but see something much much worse than that.

As for me mentioning the "other party", I didn't necessarily mean to direct it at you. I just knew that anyone would read this and go "Yeah! That's why the Democrats should be in office!"

But as far as the government, etc. not having to fight the war; they might not fight it, but if there is an attack on the US and it reaches them, they'll be suffering the consequences of it. I don't understand how they don't see this.

    #2.2 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:39 AM EDT
    MartinEZ

    Sure it will have an impact on them. However, when they start wars, they very rarely send their children to die for the "cause". Thus, they have nothing to truly fear, as family and friends are what most people cherish the most. They might fear being thrown out of office in an election year over a botched operation, but that's nothing compared to waking up every morning and wondering if your son or daughter is still alive.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:48 AM EDT
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    Dom Pody

    I mostly agree with you, except for the whole "let's nuke that country!!!111one" thing. Nuke == chaos & more terrorists being recruited.

    I do like you analysis, though.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:39 AM EDT
    Ilyanep

    Thanks.

    I wouldn't say that a nuke would be out of line. America finally has to learn to respond with some sort of force again.

    I didn't include it in the article, but I was also thinking about; what if there was a terrorist attack in every major European capital plus something like New York or Chicago?

      #3.1 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:05 PM EDT
      Dom Pody

      I wouldn't say that a nuke would be out of line. America finally has to learn to respond with some sort of force again.

      I agree, but not with a nuke. If terrorists who originate from a country with mostly civilians (which is like, everywhere), then a tactical nuke does nothing except hurt the US image and create more terrorists.

      I didn't include it in the article, but I was also thinking about; what if there was a terrorist attack in every major European capital plus something like New York or Chicago?

      Well, obviously global anti-terrorism would skyrocket through the roof.

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:20 PM EDT
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      Pamela Drew

      ILYANEP you are clearly very smart for your age. I am a mom and nearly old enough to be your grandmother, so I will offer some motherly advice in terms of looking at the situation. You may be a bit old for this so you can just do what my kids did when they were younger and shake your head and say , OMG.

      The first thing to remember is that evil is a personality. Stuff happens in every country, every group, every corner of the globe. Think about the kids you know at school. They are like the people of the world and some can never be trusted, some are quick to follow the wrong path and knowing who may go off the deep end is easier when everyone is working together and talking.

      There is no way to know for sure when one person will get a terrible idea to harm other people. Last week a boy in Indiana terrorized the residents. Those things will always be possible. No government can protect you from those. The government is just like your neighborhood except bigger. The thing that makes everyone safest is not to bar the windows and lock the doors, to spy and encourage you to mistrust and report on everyone around you.

      Bombing a neighborhood will not get rid of the evil people it will just make all the neighbors angry. Then instead of working with you to find the bad guy, dropping bombs makes you the bad guy. How helpful would your neighbors be if someone bombed your neighborhoods and said they just wanted the bad guys. Who would you like to help? Just a thought about life on the other side.

      What makes things safe is openness and trust, you know people, their names and faces and people by nature watch out for eachother. Every time a terrible event or accident occurs, all kins of people step up to help. Individually we may not all be great but as a group humans are caring. People around the globe have those same hearts and most don't want to bother you. The few that do can only go to one place and it probably isn't where you are.

      Can bad things still happen to you? Sure, but if you want to be protected it would be better if we start by taking the asbestos out of the school building, the contaminants out of your air and water, the rBGH hormone milk and junk food out of your cafeteria.

      Odds are those will harm more students than anything else. Those things are already hurting most Americans. That is a big problem to worry about. Don't worry about random accidents and don't expect government protection. It's just not possible and the things they can do to make the country safer are practical items they aren't doing.

      Don't fall for scare tactics or promises no one can keep. There are very few things that work like oven mitts and protect all the time. Anyone who says something different is trying to sell you something and ask what's in it for them. It's something for them.

      Don't be afraid, the way life goes it's always the thing you never worried about that goes wrong. Think about that. Then next time you feel worried know that once it's crossed your mind it's sure to be the thing that will never happen. Sometimes, it's even a really happy thing that catches you by surprise. Life's funny that way.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#4 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:28 PM EDT
      RegBarc

      But it's not terrorists that make me afraid. They don't scare me at all &emdash; I'm out of reach of most of the ways they can attack. What scares me is what my government might do in the case of a terrorist attack. And I can all but assure you that they will almost definitely do the wrong thing.

      I can assure you people who work in big cities have more to worry about than you do. You admit as much; you're out of reach (or so you think). But just because something doesn't make you worry, doesn't mean it shouldn't scare other people. I work one block from City Hall in Philadelphia. Not exactly a low-value target to terrorists. And I'm conscious of that on a regular basis.

      Before I begin, I want to tell any NSA officer reading this that I don't mean to start anything against the government. The government is not a terrorist, they would not kill millions of their own people in vein, and day-to-day they tend to protect me well enough. But their attitude toward events scares me. Don't even bother sticking the "don't put beans up your nose" rule in my face.

      Some of this makes sense (not right or wrong, I just actually understand it); the rest of it makes no sense at all. I have no idea what you're talking about.

      Our government stirs up fear in us at any point that they can. World War III, they say. At any moment possible.

      Trust me, you'll know when World War III is upon us.

      Newt doesn't qualify as the Government. Until the President and Congress say World War III is upon us, I don't buy your "government is telling us" line at all.

      Today, public opinion is usually tilted towards support of Israel, its actions, and its people. But who knows what will happen in ten years?

      What would happen if a president came to power that would break down the Constitution and the series of Check and Balances? We're already seeing the beginning of it today. And what would happen if during such a time, public opinion tilted against Israel and the Jewish people? Would we see numerous things like the recent Seattle shooting? Or would they be worse? Maybe even KKK-ish.

      This part I actually see what you're getting at - and what you're getting at is so outlandish and silly, I don't even know where to begin.

      At any point, Iran or North Korea could come up with a nuclear warhead and missile that is capable of reaching any point in the United States. What would happen if tomorrow one of them launched one to a major city in the United States.

      Unlikely. They know the pwnage that awaits them if they even got their fingers near the trigger.

      I can't even speculate on what our government would do. But it seems to me like it wouldn't accomplish much with competency. They would utterly fail at restoring calm and preventing looting.

      If the City of New Orleans was charged with law enforcement in the nation during a national emergency, yes, there'd be a problem controlling looting and rioting. But they're not - thank God. When the National Guard of any state has it's boots on the ground, they have a pretty good record of restoring order. I trust the military to restore general disorder on a large scale a lot more than almost any police department. The federal government would actually have their @!$%# together the most.

      However, it needs to act with a lot more common sense, stop worrying about Political Correctness, and stop trying to cover their own asses.

      That's one hell of a conclusion, considering it has nothing to do with that you argued about beforehand. How does political correctness fit in to this? How do common sense fit into it? You're leaving us hanging here.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:55 PM EDT
      Ilyanep

      Some of this makes sense (not right or wrong, I just actually understand it); the rest of it makes no sense at all. I have no idea what you're talking about.

      I don't want to be thrown in jail on the basis of "you told them what to do..."

      This part I actually see what you're getting at - and what you're getting at is so outlandish and silly, I don't even know where to begin.

      It might seem silly, but it probably seemed silly to any citizen of any other country that had a huge problem occur (such as Germans before the holocaust, Americans before the KKK, Russians before the Pogromi).

      Unlikely. They know the pwnage that awaits them if they even got their fingers near the trigger.

      Do they?

      Did you know that the North Korean missile that failed to launch would've landed off of the coast of Hawaii if it hadn't failed?

      That's one hell of a conclusion, considering it has nothing to do with that you argued about beforehand. How does political correctness fit in to this? How do common sense fit into it? You're leaving us hanging here.

      Perhaps political correctness isn't the term for this, but our government is too afraid to step in and do anything. They're afraid to finally do anything of use in Iraq. They're afraid to face Iran or North Korea. Etc.

        #5.1 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:36 PM EDT
        RegBarc

        t might seem silly, but it probably seemed silly to any citizen of any other country that had a huge problem occur (such as Germans before the holocaust, Americans before the KKK, Russians before the Pogromi).

        In order for something on the scale of the holocaust to occur in the United States, it has to be predicated by a widespread social movement expressing similar feelings, but not the exact actions. pre-WW2 Germany and modern America are two differnt cultures living in two different times. Americans aren't bringing wheelboroughs of money to the market to buy a loaf of bread (and, despite what some here might claim, our economic health is infinitely better than that). We aren't scapegoating people. We're not breaking into the U.N. headquarters in NYC, burning crap. We're a stable society, not seeking a scapegoat. We are not pre-WW2 Germany.

        Do they?

        Yes, they do.

        Did you know that the North Korean missile that failed to launch would've landed off of the coast of Hawaii if it hadn't failed?

        I did know that. It was all over the news. North Korea is acting like any other state desperate for attention. Like when a little child wants a candy bar, and he repeatedly doesn't get a candy bar, he throws a temper-tantrum. NK saw the candy bar Iran is supposed to get, and wants one. They had this rocket in development beforehand, and tested it too early just to prove a point. They want a candy bar. Bomb us, and the little child that wanted a candy bar will suddenly find himself being put up for adoption.

        Perhaps political correctness isn't the term for this, but our government is too afraid to step in and do anything. They're afraid to finally do anything of use in Iraq. They're afraid to face Iran or North Korea. Etc.

        I sincerely disagree. They have the balls to not demand a cease fire in the Israel-Lebanon thing; they're not afraid to face Iran or North Korea. They're doing diplomacy first, which is what should be done in most circumstances. This is the game of international politics. It's not a matter of being afraid of anything; it's about maximizing the net benefit of your power.

        • 1 vote
        #5.2 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:50 PM EDT
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        Slartibartfast

        I totally agree that the government is making a whole bunch of wrong choices. But I think that other people would make far worse choices. It's one thing to be a critical bystander, but quite another to be the most famous decision maker in the world. When you say

        If a person who would actually get the job done came to government, I could rest safe again.

        you're essentially asking God to run for office. And the comment,

        What would happen if a president came to power that would break down the Constitution and the series of Check and Balances?

        reminds me a lot of Star Wars. George Lucas may not be the best writer, but he seems like the type of person who should join Newsvine.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Tue Aug 1, 2006 9:04 AM EDT
        Ilyanep

        you're essentially asking God to run for office.

        Only Joe Lieberman. Or ... y'know ... something along those lines as far as not being in a party and stuff. Joe Lieberman is where the Democrats should be.

          #6.1 - Tue Aug 1, 2006 9:06 AM EDT
          Slartibartfast

          I can just imagine the campaign . . . Vote for Lieberman. He's God!

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Tue Aug 1, 2006 9:08 AM EDT
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